"Illegals granted Social Security
Interesting thought .... just heard a call on the radio which suggests that those who voted in favor of tabling (not passing) this amendment are aiding and abetting criminal behavior in the US. Senate vote at the bottom.
Powerline's discussion with Sen. Frist.
"UPDATE: Senator Bill Frist expresses his unhappiness with the defeat of the Ensign amendment:
I believe that illegal immigrants who work in America with forged papers and false Social Security numbers should not qualify for the benefits owed to hard-working Americans.Moreover, when illegals use false numbers, the American who possesses that number may face tax liability based on that illegal work, IRS audits, and numerous credit problems.
So, Senator Ensign proposed an amendment to the immigration reform legislation on the Senate floor that would guarantee that illegal aliens cannot accumulate credit to qualify for Social Security using false Social Security numbers.
Senator Ensign's amendment represents common sense and fiscal responsibility by refusing to reward illegal work when Social Security is facing such long-term difficulties. I strongly supported the amendment and I voted for it.
Unfortunately, common sense and fiscal responsibility are all too rare in Washington, D.C. So, despite my efforts, the Ensign Amendment failed this afternoon by a vote of 49-50.
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(Another comment about social security from a correspondent)
"Since LBJ made Social Security a part of the general fund, there hasn't been a dime of witholding sitting and waiting for anything. Any monies collected for social security are spent on things like a bridge in Alaska, or a new highway for Trent Lott."
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014122.php
"Illegals granted Social Security
By Charles Hurt
Source THE WASHINGTON TIMES
"There was a felony they were committing, and now they can't be prosecuted. That sounds like amnesty to me," said Sen. John Ensign, the Nevada Republican who offered the amendment yesterday to strip out those provisions of the immigration reform bill. "It just boggles the mind how people could be against this amendment."
The Ensign amendment was defeated on a 50-49 vote.
"We all know that millions of undocumented immigrants pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for years and sometimes decades while they work to contribute to our economy," said Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican.
"The Ensign amendment would undermine the work of these people by preventing lawfully present immigrant workers from claiming Social Security benefits that they earned before they were authorized to work in our community," he said. "If this amendment were enacted, the nest egg that these immigrants have worked hard for would be taken from them and their families."
Mr. Ensign was among 44 Republicans and five Democrats who voted to block such payouts.
"It makes no sense to reward millions of illegal immigrants for criminal behavior while our Social Security system is already in crisis," said Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican. "Why in the world would we endorse this criminal activity with federal benefits? The Senate missed a big opportunity to improve this bill, and I doubt American seniors will be pleased with the result."
Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont Democrat, said it would be unfair to deny illegals the benefits.
"We should not steal their funds or empty their Social Security accounts," he said. "That is not fair. It does not reward their hard work or their financial contributions. It violates the trust that underlies the Social Security Trust Fund."
Within hours, the vote had become an issue in this fall's elections, raised by a Republican challenger to Sen. Debbie Stabenow, Michigan Democrat.
"Instead of protecting the retirement security of Americans who are earning an honest living and abiding by the laws of our country, Debbie Stabenow sided with people who are here illegally and abuse our Social Security system," Oakland County, Mich., Sheriff Michael Bouchard said in a press release. "Allowing illegal immigrants to use their illegal work history as credit towards receiving Social Security benefits shows that Debbie Stabenow has forgotten who she is supposed to be working for in the U.S. Senate."
The Senate also yesterday approved an amendment to adopt English as the nation's official language, while reversing course from the day before on protections for U.S. workers who will face new competition from unskilled immigrant labor under the Senate bill. In addition, senators voted last night to kill an amendment that would have specified that the guest-worker program will not provide visas that would provide a path to citizenship.
On Wednesday, senators narrowly approved an amendment to require a foreign worker to have a job lined up in the United States before applying for a green card. The purpose, supporters say, is to ensure that the job market isn't flooded with foreign workers. Also, it prevents foreign workers from coming to the United States only to wind up unemployed and dependent on public assistance.
But yesterday, the Senate essentially gutted that amendment by allowing foreign workers to apply for permanent residency without having a job lined up.
"What that means is that up to 200,000 unskilled workers a year would become eligible for a green card, regardless of economic conditions, regardless of whether that worker has been actually employed for four years, and most importantly, regardless of whether there are unemployed U.S. workers available to fill those jobs," said Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican. "
Question: On the Motion to Table (Motion to Table Ensign Amdt. No. 3985 ) | |||
Vote Number: | 130 | Vote Date: | May 18, 2006, 12:50 PM |
Required For Majority: | 1/2 | Vote Result: | Motion to Table Agreed to |
Amendment Number: | S.Amdt. 3985 to S. 2611 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 ) | ||
Statement of Purpose: | To reduce document fraud, prevent identity theft, and preserve the integrity of the Social Security system, by ensuring that persons who receive an adjustment of status under this bill are not able to receive Social Security benefits as a result of unlawful activity. |
Vote Counts: | YEAs | 50 |
NAYs | 49 | |
Not Voting | 1 |
YEAs ---50 | ||
Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Brownback (R-KS) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) | Graham (R-SC) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) | McCain (R-AZ) Menendez (D-NJ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Salazar (D-CO) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Specter (R-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) Stevens (R-AK) Voinovich (R-OH) Wyden (D-OR) |
NAYs ---49 | ||
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) | Crapo (R-ID) Dayton (D-MN) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Kyl (R-AZ) Lott (R-MS) McConnell (R-KY) | Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Roberts (R-KS) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Sununu (R-NH) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Warner (R-VA) |
Not Voting - 1 | ||
Rockefeller (D-WV) |
5 Comments:
This is SO TRUE!!
There is a very widely used scam by illegal aliens, and it goes like this:
They get a stolen SSN, and use it to pay social security taxes. So, to be clear, there is an ILLEGAL ALIEN paying into social security using a STOLEN ID.
Then, when they get their green card, they say to the government, "whoops, I accidentally paid my social security taxes using the wrong number, please credit those funds to my new account."
Then the person gets FULL CREDIT for the money they paid while they were ILLEGALLY HERE.
Boy, do I hope this legislation gets approved to stop this crap.
-Todd
I frankly hope the Senate is visited by a voter house cleaning when election time comes.
I'm well represented but can't say the same for other states.... which is why I'm posting their votes.
Too bad it wasn't a 50-50 tie. I would have loved to see how Cheney would have voted.
It really shows how out of touch our politicians are! I ran a sweat shop in LA for a few years and it took SSI two years or more to contact us and let us know when certain employees were using a bogus SS#. But heres the kicker, 99% of them claimed 9 dependents and paid virtually no state or federal income tax and received a nice big tax return check at the end of the year. I knew for a fact half of them didn't even have children! This was/is a total ripoff of our system. If the government did some investigating to see the whole picture they'd find this out. They'd also find out that a good portion of them are receiving some kind of State Aid for their 9 children while working. So when they say the illegals pay in and contribute to the system it shows how out of touch they are... All this is not fluff! I seen it with my own eyes!
I see that insane vote being struck down by the Supreme Court, but if common sense and a desire to obey laws on the books were important they would have voted to disallow them receiving SS benefits.
I'm blessed by being safe with my two senators' votes but wanted others to know where their senators' loyalties lie.
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